[OOC] Ping returns from food-idle. [OOC] Chevesh waves. page Ping You sent your summons to Ping. 'Kamare extracts her head long enough to say "Hey Vahno!" before resuming entanglement with Chevesh. Her tail, meanwhile, curls and tries to tickle Dawnwing. Ping waves to folks who've shown up while she was eating. Ping pages, "Heya." to you. Dawnwing batbats at Kamare's tail! ...Actually, it's more like sie's petting the tail, and then the Tickling starts. Ping pages, "What's up?" to you. Dawnwing cannot help giggling. A lot. Gwen answers her comlink. "Hm? Oh, hey Gwen, 'sup? ... I dunno, did you check the auxilliary storage bays? ... Oh, did the new test work okay, or do ya need us to pick up the heavier cabling? ... Okay. Hey, if ya want, we can grab some takeout to bring back. ... Don't worry, it'll be good. Seeya later!" page Ping=Did you talk to Voksa? You page, "Did you talk to Voksa?" to Ping. Ping pages, "I did some, yesterday, yes." to you. page Ping=can you tell me about that, or can we talk about it in private somewhere? You page, "can you tell me about that, or can we talk about it in private somewhere?" to Ping. Ping pages, "Have you talked with them recently?" to you. page Ping=No I have not. I'm pretty upset over the whole thing and I figured it would be best to talk to you first, or let them initiate You page, "No I have not. I'm pretty upset over the whole thing and I figured it would be best to talk to you first, or let them initiate" to Ping. Chevesh laughs, curling around Kamare's head and scratching through her fur as she gnaws lightly along her side. "So... d'you wanna hear about what I did yesterday?" 'Kamare perks. "Yeah, go on." Dawnwing oooh? Chevesh sighs, licking through Kamare's fur absently as she purrs. "Well, on top of being an endangered wild animal, I've now also declared myself an independent nation. I went with Thea to negotiate with a Femashu agent who was snooping around her base a little too much... we went there to try and come to a peaceful resolution where they'd leave her alone. And I did my best. But somehow, I wound up declaring terms and demanding that the FE surrenders any claim to SpinDizzy, Or Else. I'm still waiting to see how my terms are responded to." A kobold walks by and examines everyone present. "Is anyone here hypersensitive to spatial compression wave seismic activity? No? Good! The test can commence, then." They chirp and tick a safety inspection form in their hands and run off to file the paperwork. Gwen says, "Wait, what?" Dawnwing says, "I, ah ... What" 'Kamare laughs. Chevesh nods, contentedly. "Yeah, I figure they'll back down. I have them surrounded, from the inside. Right where I want them." 3who Name OnTime Idle Name OnTime Idle Name Ontime Idle Peril 00:04 56s Agris 00:33 0s Voksa 02:01 4m Chevesh 00:24 1m PatchO'Black 00:42 2m Crimson 02:14 5m Kamare 00:25 1m Damien 00:43 19m Amy 02:20 2m Vahno 00:25 10m fluffy 00:54 17m Dragoncat 02:50 18m Gwen 00:28 2m Dawnwing 01:07 2m Spots 04:48 22m Charlotte 00:29 0s Borris 01:23 1m Mote 04:48 22m Skai 00:31 12m Patashu 01:25 14m Speckles 04:48 22m Sirianna 00:32 26s Ping 01:33 3m Fisset 04:48 22m Kandra 00:33 33m Bleu 01:47 11m Mako 06:29 1m 27 players are connected. Chevesh purrs, "It wasn't how I pictured the conversation going, at all. I just get really hostile when faced with Femashu agents presuming a default position of authority, and trying to paint themselves as benevolent and trustworthy despite all of the clear and obvious evidence." Ping pages, "So, in talking with them yesterday, it sounds to me like they feel you've been wanting to talk with them as much as possible, and they reached a point where it was just too much, and just wanted to be left alone, pretty much. It sounds like there really isn't much more to it than that. :/" to you. page Ping=can we please talk about this private You page, "can we please talk about this private" to Ping. page ping=i have questions You page, "i have questions" to Ping. Ping hops elsewhere for a bit... back soon. Ping is glommed down and swept away by a plastic hippopotamus mouth. Ping has left. MEETME: Ping would like you to join them. Please respond with MEETME: "mjoin Ping" or "meet Ping" to go to their location, MEETME: or "mdecline Ping" turn down the request. mjoin ping Ping's Home(#2016RLJA) This cozy little hole in the wall is Ping's place. Her palmpilot leans against the wall, the wire going out to the Studio - probably a network connection. A soft pillow in the corner provides bedding for the mouse, and the place is very simply decorated. Sketchpads and notebooks are piled high in out-of-the-way places. A large window (relatively speaking) provides her with a view of the Rose Garden. Obvious Exits: [S]tudio Contents: Ping @sweep Listeners in your inventory: Listeners in Ping's Home(#2016RLJA): Player Agris(#32770PBJ) Player Ping Listening rooms down the environment: *Done* Ping squeaks, "Okay. This is my personal room." say thankyou You yip, "thankyou" say can you please elaborate on what you mean, or perhaps just share what they said so they are not paraphrasing You yip, "can you please elaborate on what you mean, or perhaps just share what they said so they are not paraphrasing" say and also, why couldn't they tell me this myself You yip, "and also, why couldn't they tell me this myself" say and why do they have to act like a jerk and pretend like i don't exist You yip, "and why do they have to act like a jerk and pretend like i don't exist" Ping squeaks, "I was just told: "Alright. I will phrase it a little better and explain the problem, and send it by pagemail when he's next offline, I don't want to prompt him to blow up at people or anything."" say and how does that relate from banishing me from the observatory You yip, "and how does that relate from banishing me from the observatory" Ping squeaks, "*That* is a direct quote." say so why am i banned from the observatory? You yip, "so why am i banned from the observatory?" say all i did was hello when i saw them in there You yip, "all i did was hello when i saw them in there" say hold on pig. i'm sorry, I am pretty upset You yip, "hold on pig. i'm sorry, I am pretty upset" say i'll just take a minute to cool down You yip, "i'll just take a minute to cool down" say *ping You yip, "*ping" Ping squeaks, "And, I'm sorry about that paraphrasing, that wasn't the message or tone he really intends." say Is that all they said to you about Ping? You yip, "Is that all they said to you about Ping?" say yeah, it's understandable. that's why i suspected something was lost in relay You yip, "yeah, it's understandable. that's why i suspected something was lost in relay" Ping squeaks, "Pretty much. Apparently you didn't say something *specific* that upset them." say so they are upset with me You yip, "so they are upset with me" Ping squeaks, "It was just... too much, too quickly, across multiple mediums, and they just wanted a bit more space where you wanted a bit more contact, from what I can gather." say it seems like a lot of effort to go through to 'get more space' You yip, "it seems like a lot of effort to go through to 'get more space'" say the banishing You yip, "the banishing" say the rude pretending like i don't exist You yip, "the rude pretending like i don't exist" say the complete lack of even asking or eplaining what's going on You yip, "the complete lack of even asking or eplaining what's going on" say and for a long while too You yip, "and for a long while too" Ping squeaks, "It *sounds* like actually your asking for explanations got to be more frustrating than whatever the original issue was. :/ " Ping squeaks, "And I can imagine the difficulty there is that they don't *want* to have to tell you to back off a little." Ping squeaks, "But they don't know how to say it without it coming across more negative than they really intend it to be." Ping squeaks, "That's what I gather, anyway." say well a friend sudden starts ghosting you for a long time out of nowhere You yip, "well a friend sudden starts ghosting you for a long time out of nowhere" Ping squeaks, "A long time? How long, out of curiosity?" say couple months You yip, "couple months" Ping squeaks, "Huh." Ping squeaks, "You got your character here just over a week ago..." say it happened at the same time as some other stuff happened that really hurt me You yip, "it happened at the same time as some other stuff happened that really hurt me" say yeah but I know voksa from furnet irc and fediverse You yip, "yeah but I know voksa from furnet irc and fediverse" Ping squeaks, "Other stuff?" say we have mutual friends You yip, "we have mutual friends" Ping nods. say I would prefer not to get into the other stuff as it's not terribly related and would just complicate things You yip, "I would prefer not to get into the other stuff as it's not terribly related and would just complicate things" Ping squeaks, "Okay." say i don't know what pagemail is You yip, "i don't know what pagemail is" Ping squeaks, "Type 'qmail' to read the message." say one moment please ping, i'll check if i got the message You yip, "one moment please ping, i'll check if i got the message" qmail No new mail. *Done* Ping nods. say no new mail You yip, "no new mail" Ping squeaks, "Okay, that's what a pagemail is. An in-muck email, basically." say ping, thankyou for at least contacting them and trying to mediate and getting the reason why this is happening You yip, "ping, thankyou for at least contacting them and trying to mediate and getting the reason why this is happening" say which, admittingly isn't much of a reason You yip, "which, admittingly isn't much of a reason" say but thats besides the point You yip, "but thats besides the point" say it's probably not doing any good to tell you this but, I would feel a lot better with an apology You yip, "it's probably not doing any good to tell you this but, I would feel a lot better with an apology " say and if they don't want as much contact with me, then so bet it; but I don't see why they have to banish me from the observatory still You yip, "and if they don't want as much contact with me, then so bet it; but I don't see why they have to banish me from the observatory still" Ping squeaks, "I'm just telling Voksa that you have questions for me that I don't have the answers to." say or in the first place You yip, "or in the first place" say we have a lot of interests and writing style in common You yip, "we have a lot of interests and writing style in common" Ping squeaks, "As for why you're not able to see the observatory, that sounds pretty simple. The issue predates your joining the muck." say does that seem fair to you ping? You yip, "does that seem fair to you ping?" say does that seem in any way healing or even welcoming on behalf of the muck? You yip, "does that seem in any way healing or even welcoming on behalf of the muck?" Somewhere on the muck, Myril has connected. say i didn't do anything to them, and i certainly didn't do anything wrong in the observatory You yip, "i didn't do anything to them, and i certainly didn't do anything wrong in the observatory" Ping squeaks, "Not especially. But it does kinda sound like you came here in order to have another medium to try to talk with them, where you weren't already blocked." say I didn't even know Voksa was here when I joined You yip, "I didn't even know Voksa was here when I joined" say it goes back to the common interests You yip, "it goes back to the common interests" Ping squeaks, "That's possible, sure." say small world thoery You yip, "small world thoery" say I wish you had more empathy for my situation Ping You yip, "I wish you had more empathy for my situation Ping" Ping squeaks, "In general, blocking people is kind of a last resort people take when they want to not be communicated with..." say well, they seem to be using it in order to be spiteful or to hold the muck hostage You yip, "well, they seem to be using it in order to be spiteful or to hold the muck hostage" Ping squeaks, "So it's really surprising to me that you've been blocked without having any idea what might be motivating them." say there was no communication or stepup to the 'last resort' You yip, "there was no communication or stepup to the 'last resort'" Ping squeaks, "...hold the muck hostage? What does the muck have to do with this?" say making it so i can't participate in certain areas of the muck You yip, "making it so i can't participate in certain areas of the muck" Ping squeaks, "In their specific area of the muck. People are allowed to have private space here, and decide who they want to invite there. :/" say they are allowed to section off entire coordinates? You yip, "they are allowed to section off entire coordinates?" Ping squeaks, "So, it sounds to me like Voksa's been trying to avoid conflict by trying to not talk about it." say and ping You yip, "and ping" Ping squeaks, "Which is pretty demonstrably making the conflict a heck of a lot worse." say that's understandable under normal circumstances but i didn't do anything to deserve this treatment You yip, "that's understandable under normal circumstances but i didn't do anything to deserve this treatment" say well, yeah You yip, "well, yeah" say it's being spiteful You yip, "it's being spiteful" say a vacuum of information doesn't help anybody or make things better You yip, "a vacuum of information doesn't help anybody or make things better" Ping squeaks, "You know, that's very possibly reading a lot more into it than is really there." Ping squeaks, "It *could* be spiteful, it also might not be." Ping squeaks, "It's hard to interpret *anything* out of a lack of information." say does it matter if that's the effect is has? and yes Ping. Why go through all that trouble instead of just talking about it and not having a lack of information like mature beings You yip, "does it matter if that's the effect is has? and yes Ping. Why go through all that trouble instead of just talking about it and not having a lack of information like mature beings" say I understand there's not much I can do Ping until that letter comes; if that letter comes You yip, "I understand there's not much I can do Ping until that letter comes; if that letter comes" Ping squeaks, "Well, I've asked a couple times if they could write something to you at least explaining the situation." say but I feel like your treatment of this is incredibly one sided You yip, "but I feel like your treatment of this is incredibly one sided" say thankyou for doing that You yip, "thankyou for doing that" say it also feels hurtful that they have to bounce this issue around a relay like this instead of taking. but you said they told you they are worried about me 'blowing up'. even then, there are other ways. like a mediator if you were willing You yip, "it also feels hurtful that they have to bounce this issue around a relay like this instead of taking. but you said they told you they are worried about me 'blowing up'. even then, there are other ways. like a mediator if you were willing" say i think that's all i have to say about this for now You yip, "i think that's all i have to say about this for now" say unless you have something to add You yip, "unless you have something to add" Ping squeaks, "Well, I can ask them to join us." say what do you think i should say if i need to intiate and you did that? You yip, "what do you think i should say if i need to intiate and you did that?" say do you think I should start out by saying how this has made me feel and how i think it's spiteful? You yip, "do you think I should start out by saying how this has made me feel and how i think it's spiteful?" pose lies down Agris lies down Ping squeaks, "It sounded like you don't understand why they blocked you. That sounds like something that you can ask." say i think i'd like you to do that, but i'd need like 5 minutes before that happens and i'd like to ask you for advice first You yip, "i think i'd like you to do that, but i'd need like 5 minutes before that happens and i'd like to ask you for advice first" Ping squeaks, "Okay..." Ping squeaks, "I haven't yet asked them to join us here. It's possible they won't agree to it." say and what do i do if they say something that isn't true or is possibly a misunderstanding? You yip, "and what do i do if they say something that isn't true or is possibly a misunderstanding?" Ping squeaks, "Well, first, you listen. Then you clarify." say any other advice ping? You yip, "any other advice ping?" Ping is just asking Voksa if they can join us shortly. say thank you so much for your time and willingness to help with this ping You yip, "thank you so much for your time and willingness to help with this ping" Ping squeaks, "I'm honestly not sure what to advise." say i think it might also be good if you let them know you'd be mediating and that i'm here trying to come from a place of understanding, not anger so they shouldn't worry about the concerns they expressed you told me You yip, "i think it might also be good if you let them know you'd be mediating and that i'm here trying to come from a place of understanding, not anger so they shouldn't worry about the concerns they expressed you told me" say in order to reach a resolution and mutual understanding You yip, "in order to reach a resolution and mutual understanding" Ping sighs a bit. "Well." say well it's your call You yip, "well it's your call" Ping squeaks, "I might as well just say what they're saying, directly." => Voksa pages, "I am so tired of this. Okay. You want me to appear there and tell them to leave me alone? I am not talking to them beyond that." to you. You page-pose, "Ping sighs a bit. "Well, if that's going to be the beginning and end of it, then I suppose it's not really very necessary..."" => Voksa pages, "Yeah, I'm sorry. They wore away at me and then tried to continue after I finally had the nerve to stop them. For a while I was afraid to come to my social spaces. I just want this to be done." to you. say wtf (don't send that) You yip, "wtf (don't send that)" Ping sighs, and shrugs. "I'm not." say I just want this to be done too, that's why i want to talk about this person to person (plus mediator) instead of bouncing emails around You yip, "I just want this to be done too, that's why i want to talk about this person to person (plus mediator) instead of bouncing emails around" say Ping, are they saying sorry to you or to me? You yip, "Ping, are they saying sorry to you or to me?" Ping squeaks, "Do you want me to tell him to please come here to tell you what he just told me? Because that *does* seem unnecessary." say no You yip, "no" say that's a misunderstanding, that's now why i want to talk to them You yip, "that's a misunderstanding, that's now why i want to talk to them" say it's because i want to figure out whatever's going on, and why, and be done with it. if that means not talking again then so be it You yip, "it's because i want to figure out whatever's going on, and why, and be done with it. if that means not talking again then so be it" say but this has gone from zero to 9999mph out of nowhere, and instantly You yip, "but this has gone from zero to 9999mph out of nowhere, and instantly" say for apparently no.... unknown reasons You yip, "for apparently no.... unknown reasons" say that doesn't have to be what the resolution is though You yip, "that doesn't have to be what the resolution is though" Ping squeaks, "I don't really know what to say. :/" say I don't think this will be solved, only continue to fester and get worse unless some communication is had You yip, "I don't think this will be solved, only continue to fester and get worse unless some communication is had" say because the factor of the matter is, the world is small, and we have similar interests You yip, "because the factor of the matter is, the world is small, and we have similar interests" say so we should get along, whatever form that may take. including where to set bounderies You yip, "so we should get along, whatever form that may take. including where to set bounderies" Ping squeaks, "Okay, I need you to be as specific as you can... what do you believe there's a misunderstanding about?" page Ping=Ping, keep this off the record but at one point in the #vore channel they accused me of being a zoophile and told people that I was posting videos of harming animals in the chat when all i posted was not ANYTHING even remotely close to that. It was a broll from a BBC nature documentary You page, "Ping, keep this off the record but at one point in the #vore channel they accused me of being a zoophile and told people that I was posting videos of harming animals in the chat when all i posted was not ANYTHING even remotely close to that. It was a broll from a BBC nature documentary" to Ping. page ping=so I literally, cannot even begin to guess what this understanding could possibly be about You page, "so I literally, cannot even begin to guess what this understanding could possibly be about" to Ping. page ping=it's possible they are crazy and coming up with this, it's possible someone has it in for me and is spreading rumors about me, or it's possible they are the one doing that You page, "it's possible they are crazy and coming up with this, it's possible someone has it in for me and is spreading rumors about me, or it's possible they are the one doing that" to Ping. page ping=I confronted them about it and they apologized and thanked me for talking with them about it in private and told me they used to be in an abusive home You page, "I confronted them about it and they apologized and thanked me for talking with them about it in private and told me they used to be in an abusive home" to Ping. page Ping=ever since that, i thought that issue was solved but i bring this up because it's the only thing even remotely relevant i can think of You page, "ever since that, i thought that issue was solved but i bring this up because it's the only thing even remotely relevant i can think of" to Ping. page ping=and yes, i was pretty offended by it You page, "and yes, i was pretty offended by it" to Ping. page ping=it was a one off thing though and it didn't seem to happen again. that i know of You page, "it was a one off thing though and it didn't seem to happen again. that i know of" to Ping. Ping squeaks, "So, first of all, saying something in this room is just as private as paging it to me..." say ok. well i wanted to make sure you didn't send that verbatim You yip, "ok. well i wanted to make sure you didn't send that verbatim" say or didn't send it at all You yip, "or didn't send it at all" Ping squeaks, "I'm not going to." say i don't have an answer to your question that you can send to them. that's my off-the-record answer You yip, "i don't have an answer to your question that you can send to them. that's my off-the-record answer" say ping You yip, "ping" Ping squeaks, "Though it sounds like this is what you really feel like you need to talk with them about?" say I don't think so, only if that's what this whole thing was about then yes, but otherwise no You yip, "I don't think so, only if that's what this whole thing was about then yes, but otherwise no" say this is CLEARLY a VERY big deal for them You yip, "this is CLEARLY a VERY big deal for them" say whatever their problem with me is that they act so spiteful towards me You yip, "whatever their problem with me is that they act so spiteful towards me" Ping squeaks, "It *might* not be spiteful." say maybe it's rumors, maybe it's nothing. maybe it's that there is nothing and they can't bring themself to apologize and admit they were wrong; but in that case why continue to keep all this effort up You yip, "maybe it's rumors, maybe it's nothing. maybe it's that there is nothing and they can't bring themself to apologize and admit they were wrong; but in that case why continue to keep all this effort up" say that may be true Ping that's why i said act not is. because from my perspective it's spiteful You yip, "that may be true Ping that's why i said act not is. because from my perspective it's spiteful" say i just don't know You yip, "i just don't know" say whatever it is ping i want it to stop. i want them to stop excluding me from places and creating a bad atmosphere in social spaces You yip, "whatever it is ping i want it to stop. i want them to stop excluding me from places and creating a bad atmosphere in social spaces" say that's why i want this resolved You yip, "that's why i want this resolved" say well, one of the reasons anyways. i realize i can't do anything now but wildly speculate =( You yip, "well, one of the reasons anyways. i realize i can't do anything now but wildly speculate =(" say i'm going to make dinner You yip, "i'm going to make dinner" Ping squeaks, "So, from what I can tell, by "wanting this resolved" you mean you want to be un-blocked." Ping squeaks, "Okay. I'm going to go back to Patashu's place." Ping squeaks, "You're welcome to come with." Ping teleports away. Ping has left. say ping=at the very least unbanished from the observatory and if we happen to be in the same room together not pretending like i don't exist. that doesn't mean we have to talk to each other You yip, "ping=at the very least unbanished from the observatory and if we happen to be in the same room together not pretending like i don't exist. that doesn't mean we have to talk to each other" page ping=at the very least unbanished from the observatory and if we happen to be in the same room together not pretending like i don't exist. that doesn't mean we have to talk to each other You page, "at the very least unbanished from the observatory and if we happen to be in the same room together not pretending like i don't exist. that doesn't mean we have to talk to each other" to Ping. page ping=and not spreading false rumors about me, if that's part of what's happening You page, "and not spreading false rumors about me, if that's part of what's happening" to Ping. Ping pages, "I hate to be giving you bad news, but I think at this point it isn't exactly news... it's pretty clear to me that you're not going to be unbanished from his spaces anytime soon." to you. Ping pages, "And I have to say, he's really not told me anything at all about you, only about how he feels about things. :/" to you. page Ping=And your ok to just allow that kind of bitterness to keep happening? You page, "And your ok to just allow that kind of bitterness to keep happening?" to Ping. Ping pages, "He's only brought it up in answer to questions I've had for him." to you. page Ping=are you she they are a he? You page, "are you she they are a he?" to Ping. Ping pages, "No. Actually, I'm not. Sorry, I'm actually just screwing up pronouns apparently." to you. Ping pages, "Their character here is a genderless "Spaceship-Dragon"." to you. page Ping=well if you find out anything else, please let me know You page, "well if you find out anything else, please let me know" to Ping. Ping pages, "I'll try, but at this point, I'm not going to try to convince someone who feels they're being harassed that they aren't actually. Do you understand where we are with this? :(" to you. page Ping=I do have one thing else to say ping. And your free to relay this to them when they aren't upset or when you feel is best. That they stated they don't feel safe in social spaces due to me I think is Irrational, Unfounded, and most important I want to encourage them to attempt some empathy and imagine how I must feel in those situations. Because it's not a good feeling. it's a very hurt and confused feeling and a feeling of them being spiteful You page, "I do have one thing else to say ping. And your free to relay this to them when they aren't upset or when you feel is best. That they stated they don't feel safe in social spaces due to me I think is Irrational, Unfounded, and most important I want to encourage them to attempt some empathy and imagine how I must feel in those situations. Because it's not a good feeling. it's a very hurt and confused feeling and a feeling of them being spiteful" to Ping. page Ping=I think I do understand Ping, but I also respectfully disagree with your methods, and I think at some point (not now) i'd like you to put a foot down You page, "I think I do understand Ping, but I also respectfully disagree with your methods, and I think at some point (not now) i'd like you to put a foot down" to Ping. page ping=i think that's all the energy i have to expend on this issue for today You page, "i think that's all the energy i have to expend on this issue for today" to Ping. Ping pages, "Okay." to you. page ping=thankyou You page, "thankyou" to Ping.